Hmm, now I have to go watch the movie again just to check if everything is like you say... But I kinda believe you are right if all this is correct. But I think I might never stop asking myself if it could be the other way around.
I like your arguments they make sense in a way. But they need to be check by me before I believe it.. Thank you for making something like this. It made me think about things that I never had before..
Hmmm... I like the wedding ring thing... I never even saw/heard that one before...
But, isn't it a total mind fuck if Cobb is dreaming the whole thing...
I guess it's up to each viewer to decide... I love this movie.. seen it a million times, and I still can't decide which side I'm on (Or, I should say, I refuse to )
I think though... if I had a gun to my head and was forced to choose, I'd say It's all Cobb's delusions... Based on his Father and his "come back to reality" and more importantly, that look, like he knows it's useless.
LOL.. I dunno, I'm all juiced up cause I watched it again last night! Though, the ring thing has me scratching
The totem doesn't simply stop working if someone touches it. The reason you don't want other people handling your totem is because if they know it's feel/weight/how it works then their subconscious can recreate your totem in THEIR dreams. In that case, you wont be able to trust your totem in the dreamscape of THAT person, because it will react in the same way as the real totem does.
Furthermore, the totem Saito touched wasn't Cobb's real totem. Your totem does not travel with you into a dream, this is why it acts different/feels different/looks different in a dream than in reality. What Saito touched has no consequence on Cobb what-so-ever, as it was done so in Limbo and not in the real world.
my point exactly! One of the first things Saito tells Cobb is " I know what this is, I saw it before" - or something like that.
Cobb goes deeper into the Limbo by himself, so it was either his, or Saito's dream/limbo he went into. Saito could of created his totem because he knew the look and purpose of it. Cobb didn't touch the totem himself in that scene, so how does he know it's actually his?
And we never see him get shoot by Saito, or when Saito woke up, or the others in Level 1.
I think he went into a deeper Limbo in the end. But the point is that he doesn't care. He's with his kinds , and for him it doesn't matter if they are real, or just projections. He had enough with it all.
Saito had seen Cobb's totem before. Seeing a totem is not the same as "knowing it."
Limbo is a dreamscape shared by all the dreamers, so it wasn't Saito's limbo, or Cobbs limbo. This means that the totem Saito touched was still fake.
There are things about Cobb's totem that we don't know. Something about it's feel, how it spins. It's not so simple as "it spins forever if you're in a dream." That's just the piece we were given. A totem of that simplicity would be useless, because it would never have worked in the dreams of anyone who knew it existed. This would mean that not only Saito but also Arthur, Eames, and Ariadne would be able to recreate the totem exactly, therefore making it utterly useless.
Cobb was no fool, and neither was Mal. We can only assume that the Totem of the top holds something much deeper, something that only Cobb or Mal can notice. In the same way that Ariadne's totem is not simply a chess piece.
Furthermore (it seems I rambled on for some time), we do see Saito wake, on the plane at the same time as Cobb does. There's a simple explanation for why we never saw them get shot: Nolan wanted this. He wanted us to debate, and he succeeded.
wow u pointed out points that i didnt even realize like the detailing of the cloths the children wore and the ring. the rest, ofcourse, even i knw and everyone should know too. the totem did falll oh yeeeahh~ sad endings are crappy endings nolan wouldnt want us viewers to be sad XD great debate, love it, and YEAH