Hmm, now I have to go watch the movie again just to check if everything is like you say... But I kinda believe you are right if all this is correct. But I think I might never stop asking myself if it could be the other way around.
I like your arguments they make sense in a way. But they need to be check by me before I believe it.. Thank you for making something like this. It made me think about things that I never had before..
Hmmm... I like the wedding ring thing... I never even saw/heard that one before...
But, isn't it a total mind fuck if Cobb is dreaming the whole thing...
I guess it's up to each viewer to decide... I love this movie.. seen it a million times, and I still can't decide which side I'm on (Or, I should say, I refuse to )
I think though... if I had a gun to my head and was forced to choose, I'd say It's all Cobb's delusions... Based on his Father and his "come back to reality" and more importantly, that look, like he knows it's useless.
LOL.. I dunno, I'm all juiced up cause I watched it again last night! Though, the ring thing has me scratching
The totem doesn't simply stop working if someone touches it. The reason you don't want other people handling your totem is because if they know it's feel/weight/how it works then their subconscious can recreate your totem in THEIR dreams. In that case, you wont be able to trust your totem in the dreamscape of THAT person, because it will react in the same way as the real totem does.
Furthermore, the totem Saito touched wasn't Cobb's real totem. Your totem does not travel with you into a dream, this is why it acts different/feels different/looks different in a dream than in reality. What Saito touched has no consequence on Cobb what-so-ever, as it was done so in Limbo and not in the real world.
my point exactly! One of the first things Saito tells Cobb is " I know what this is, I saw it before" - or something like that.
Cobb goes deeper into the Limbo by himself, so it was either his, or Saito's dream/limbo he went into. Saito could of created his totem because he knew the look and purpose of it. Cobb didn't touch the totem himself in that scene, so how does he know it's actually his?
And we never see him get shoot by Saito, or when Saito woke up, or the others in Level 1.
I think he went into a deeper Limbo in the end. But the point is that he doesn't care. He's with his kinds , and for him it doesn't matter if they are real, or just projections. He had enough with it all.
Saito had seen Cobb's totem before. Seeing a totem is not the same as "knowing it."
Limbo is a dreamscape shared by all the dreamers, so it wasn't Saito's limbo, or Cobbs limbo. This means that the totem Saito touched was still fake.
There are things about Cobb's totem that we don't know. Something about it's feel, how it spins. It's not so simple as "it spins forever if you're in a dream." That's just the piece we were given. A totem of that simplicity would be useless, because it would never have worked in the dreams of anyone who knew it existed. This would mean that not only Saito but also Arthur, Eames, and Ariadne would be able to recreate the totem exactly, therefore making it utterly useless.
Cobb was no fool, and neither was Mal. We can only assume that the Totem of the top holds something much deeper, something that only Cobb or Mal can notice. In the same way that Ariadne's totem is not simply a chess piece.
Furthermore (it seems I rambled on for some time), we do see Saito wake, on the plane at the same time as Cobb does. There's a simple explanation for why we never saw them get shot: Nolan wanted this. He wanted us to debate, and he succeeded.
wow u pointed out points that i didnt even realize like the detailing of the cloths the children wore and the ring. the rest, ofcourse, even i knw and everyone should know too. the totem did falll oh yeeeahh~ sad endings are crappy endings nolan wouldnt want us viewers to be sad XD great debate, love it, and YEAH
I was a little suprised by the children's ages at the end of the film; the way Cobb was carrying on, I assumed that he had not seen them for a considerable amount of time (1 to 2 years at min.). However, I do think that Cobb escaped Limbo at the end of the film, as the totem wobbled.
It is clearly stated by Cobb in the film that should the totem be spun in the middle of a dream, then it would keep spinning, therefore the fact that the totem destabilised during a rotation proves that that was Reality. If he was in a dream, the totem could not possibly have stopped spinning.
I thought it was hilarious because I was reading this, and my mom came in and asked what it was about. I told her it was a debate on whether or not the top fell at the end of Inception, and she looked startled and said she didn't even consider the possibility that the top didn't fall at the end. I just started giggling. Oh, moms.
The simple fact is that it doesn't matter whether or not he is in reality at the end. What matters is that he got to see his childrens' faces, which is all he wanted. So regardless of whether or not he is in reality or not doesn't really matter ( note that Cobb walks away from the top and doesn't stay to see if it falls, because seeing his childrens faces is all that really matters to him at this point) Nolan is kind of using a Schrodingers cat by cutting off the ending. (Schrodingers cat= cat in box with poison gas, until box is opened the cat is either dead or alive or both or neither) This means that until we see the end we will not know if the top fell, if it stayed spinning or both. It doesn't matter. Nolan does this to make us think about an important issue. Great arguements.
This is extremely well written and explained. I just literally finished watching the movie a few moments ago, and the ending left me puzzled. After reading this, I can sincerely agree with you, because all of your facts make total sense. Thank you for making the movie easier to understand without ruining the actual feel of it for me
Btw (and im going to be asking everyone who is a fan of the movie): What would your totem be, and who is your favorite character? I'm not going to debate with you trust me because I like all of the characters. Eames is my favorite though.
Yeah he's just as awesome as Eames! People put them together, and after watching the movie all the way through then I guess I could see them being a very dysfunctional couple haha.
Also thats so cool! Idk what to use. The totems in the movie kind of confuse me though. The top I get. The loaded die I get also because in a dream I assume it would land on a random number. However, the poker chip and the chess piece don't make any sense. The don't spin or roll, i mean I guess the chip does but not the chess piece. Help? XD;
YES. THANK YOU! I THINK HE IS BACK IN REALITY TOO. the top slanted as you have it at the bottom a split second b4 it goes to the credit screen...SOOO he is free.....along with your evidence, i believe MORE now that he DID in fact make it out...
But there is one correction regarding how long it has been since Cobb has parted with his kids. If you look at the Cast listing [link] you will see that the children are credited for 3 yrs;20months and 5yrs;3 years.
So I suppose thats 2 years Cobb has been away. But nevertheless thanks for the article !
VERRRY!!! I was just sitting there going, "Uuuuh.... Wait... How did they shift from there to there... And I thought they were already asleep..." -explodes- My dad was confused so he just fell asleep and my mom probably understood it more than I did. XD;